Jonathan Pageau is an Orthodox thinker and icon carver, who believes that the patterns and meaning in life point to the Divine Logos. Joe Folley is an atheist philosophy graduate who believes that the patterns we find in life derive their function from the ground upward (not actual episode copy)

Orthodox thinker Jonathan Pageau and atheist philosopher Joe Folley sit down with Justin Brierley to discuss whether art, culture and human experience point to God.

Atheist thinker Alex O'Connor goes toe-to-toe with Christian thinker Glen Scrivener on whether Christianity gave us our belief in kindness, equality, freedom and consent.

In a wide-ranging conversation on atheism, faith, poetry, music, meaning, love, complexity, suffering, evolution and survival, they discuss whether God or science makes best sense of 'the poetry of reality'.